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Respecting the characters

  • Oct. 17th, 2008 at 5:40 AM
Child of Fire
I'm going to try talking a little about story, which I generally avoid for fear of triggering a flareup of imposter syndrome. (Spoilers for: PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, LOTR, A Song of Ice And Fire, and some book I won't even name.) Following up on a comment I made on [info]sartorias's "Payoffs" post (and per her request) I want to expand a little on making the story respect the characters.

In the PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN movies, Norrington was a terrific character played by an excellent actor, and he had a huge story arc--much larger than any of the main characters (with the exception, maybe, of Elizabeth). But by the third film they seemed to have no idea how to use him.

So how does his story wrap up? He dies to help Elizabeth midway through the third film. He doesn't even play a part the finale. Don't get me wrong, I loved those movies, but the character deserved a bigger part, because he was interesting.

There's a book I read many years ago I remember only because I disliked it so much (I won't give the title or author--it's oop and there's no use kicking the dead). In it, Our Hero stumbles through the story with two old Native American guys who help him out. Then, when it's time for the final confrontation, those two old guys introduce a third character to accompany him into the final fight while they stayed behind.

Did I care about this new character? Nope. I barely cared about the ones the author had written about for the previous 300 pages.

Both examples lead me (in my roundabout way) to this: a book has to bear the weight of my attention. That's what reading feels like--I'm leaning on the book and the parts that interest me get the full brunt of my weight. If the plot is a little weak, a book can compensate with strong characters or a fascinating setting. Or beautiful language, if I'm in that mood. But all I ask is that the book hold up my interest.

Obviously, interesting supporting characters bear the weight of a great deal of a reader's attention, depending on how invested we get in them. Cutting them off too early is like sitting on a chair when one of the legs buckles (Not that, ahem, this happens to me often). It's also a failure to pay off the story on a micro scale, just to tie it back to the Payoffs post linked above. It's disappointing.

But can I disagree with myself on this?

Of course I can! I can think of two exceptions to the "don't wrap up interesting characters too quickly" idea. The first is when the character's absence is a vital part of the story. When Gandalf "dies" in the Mines of Moria, his absence has a powerful effect on the story. That empty space becomes an arch--a very strong structural shape. (Okay, I'll drop the tortured metaphor now.)

The second is when the tone of the story requires a Joe Bob Briggs (may his career rest in peace) -type attitude ("Anybody can die at any moment.") One of the strengths of, say, A Song Of Ice And Fire is the precarious nature of the character's situations. They aren't like protagonists in other books--people you expect to follow through a story from start to finish; they're more at risk.

Poor Rob Stark. He'd have been the hero of a different book.

And with their position in the story so precarious, the characters in ASOIAF bring a sense of danger to a book in a way the audience would never get with PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN (and probably wouldn't want). The protagonists in ASOIAF inhabit a different kind of world and bring a different kind a thrill (a non-adventure thrill). That thrill holds up a lot of my interest.

Well, what do you think, crazy or stupid?

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[info]sartorias wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 01:16 pm (UTC)
My instinct is totally on board with what you say. The tone of a story makes certain promises. What I want to figure out now is, how and why the tone makes promises?

But thanks--this is such a thought provoking thread, and you bring up such good ideas.
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I'll have to make a study of the next couple books I read to see how the details go together, especially in the scenes of physical danger.
[info]asakiyume wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
Absolutely fascinating--I could never have articulated this, but yes all the way. Especially the part about sometimes a character's absence being part of the story, as with Gandalf. I've never read the ice and fire books, but I'm intrigued by the notion that readers feel that the protags may bite the dust at any moment--that's one of the things that struck me about manga and japanese storytelling sensibility overall: that the main characters weren't as inviolable as they are in Western stories (to make a ridiculous generalization).
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
ASOIAF has a dozen or more viewpoint characters, I think. Actually, maybe I exaggerate, but not by much. I love the way really rotten, awful characters in early books get a POV in later ones; you really get a chance to see inside them.

That said, some (many) readers *hate* the way POV characters in those books keep dying. They get all invested and then, grief. Followed by swearing never to go near them again.

Me, I like it.
[info]crinklequirk wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of the sense that characters in many Asian stories (no matter the genre, though anime and Hong Kong movies quickly come to mind) is that they never went through the "everything must have a happy ending" period that happened here in the States. The effect the Great Depression had on Hollywood, and then beyond it, has been incredible: to this day, even movies such as The Dark Knight "must" have at least a hint of a happy ending, or at least a possibility that it could happen, _next_ movie (not necessarily so the comic, I'll note, since they've been so influenced my manga and anime).

Hopefully I've articulate this properly.

But I think it all relates.
[info]crinklequirk wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
(Sorry for typos, removing crumbs from keyboard now. . . .)
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
Something I heard (but have never taken the trouble to confirm) is that in many Asian cultures a story about a person is expected to cover the hero's whole life (or at least start at an interesting place and cover the rest of their life) so there's an audience expectation that the protagonist die at the end, or the story's incomplete.

Not sure how true that is, but it's fun to think about.
[info]asakiyume wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
In Japanese culture, at least, there's the concept of "hôgan biiki" (which Wikipedia weirdly calls "hangan biiki")--translated as rooting for the underdog, but it's where the character you like is the one who loses out in the end. The most famous example is Yoshitsune--the dashing, beautiful hero of The Tale of the Heiki, who's hunted down and killed by his brother in the end.
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
Ack!

Pass.
[info]asakiyume wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 09:09 pm (UTC)
It's because I gave a spoiler, isn't it. D'oh! :-P
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
That's the kind of warning spoiler I like. The kind that says "You Won't Like This."

(sorry for the edit--my boss walked by and I panic-posted.)

Edited at 2008-10-17 09:17 pm (UTC)
[info]asakiyume wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
haha--I panic post when my children come near :-D
[info]asakiyume wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
*nods* I think it does relate, too.
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